“Your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, where they will be enslaved and oppressed four hundred years…. Then in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”
Multiculturalism is based on the relativist assumption that since all cultures are inherently equal, differences of power, wealth, and achievement between them are most likely due to oppression. Sociologist Robert Blauner argues that these global disparities are replicated within the United States, so that blacks, American Indians, and nonwhite immigrations constitute a kind of Third World within the United States. Additionally, the African-American scholar Henry Louis Gates contends that a curriculum focused on the great works of Western civilization "represents the return of an order in which my people were the subjugated, the voiceless, the invisible, the unrepresented."
But all of this is wordplay. The real issue, as Leszek Kolakowski points out, is that "the impulse to explore has never been evenly distributed among the world's civilizations." It is no coincidence that it was Columbus who reached the Americas and not American Indians who arrived on the shores of Europe. The term "encounter" conceals this difference by implying civilizational contact on an equal plane between the Europeans and the Indians.
.ALL injuns must acknowledge the crimes of the indians of the past, and recognize that NOTHING happens on earth except God ALLOWS it. It is up to the Inju to understand WHY God thought the Injun, as a people, were to have their land taken and their tribes DESTROYED
halley wrote:"Columbus makes Hitler look like a juvenile delinquent," asserts American Indian activist Russell Means. Winona LaDuke deplores "the biological, technological, and ecological invasion that began with Columbus' ill-fated voyage five hundred years ago."
The National Council of Churches declares the anniversary of Columbus "not a time for celebration" but for "reflection and repentance" in which whites must acknowledge a continuing history of "oppression, degradation, and genocide."
"Could it be that the human calamity caused by the arrival of Columbus," African-American writer Ishmael Reed asks, "was a sort of dress rehearsal of what is to come as the ozone becomes more depleted, the earth warms, and the rain forests are destroyed?"
"All of us have been socialized to be racists and benefit from racism constantly," Christine Slater laments in the journal Multicultural Education.
"The very locations on which our homes rest should rightfully belong to Indian nations."
Literary scholar Stephen Greenblatt alleges that Columbus "inaugurated the greatest experiment in political, economic, and cultural cannibalism in the history of the Western world."
Similarly, when Bernal Diaz arrived in Mexico with the swashbuckling army of Hernan Cortes, he and his fellow Spaniards were not shocked to witness slavery, the subjection of women, or brutal treatment of war captives; these were familiar enough practices among the conquistadors. But they were appalled at the magnitude of cannibalism and human sacrifice. As Diaz describes it, in an account generally corroborated by modern scholars:
They strike open the wretched Indian's chest with flint knives and hastily tear out the palpitating heart which, with the blood, they present to the idols in whose name they have performed the sacrifice. Then they cut off the arms, thighs, and head, eating the arms and thighs at their ceremonial banquets. The head they hang up on a beam, and the body of the sacrificed man is not eaten but given to the beasts of prey.
When Cortes captured the Aztec emperor Montezuma and his attendants, he would only permit them temporary release on the promise that they stop their traditional practices of cannibalism and human sacrifice, but he found that "as soon as we turned our heads they would resume their old cruelties." Aztec cannibalism, writes anthropologist Marvin Harris, "was not a perfunctory tasting of ceremonial tidbits." Indeed the Aztecs on a regular basis consumed human flesh in a stew with peppers and tomatoes, and children were regarded as a particular delicacy. Cannibalism was prevalent among the Aztecs, Guarani, Iroquois, Caribs, and several other tribes.
bossfan wrote:God is not to blame for the Native American's plight.
davehines wrote:bossfan wrote:God is not to blame for the Native American's plight.
Are you saying that God is not all-powerful? If He is, He could easily alter the course of history. If God chose to not interfere, one might certainly say He is "to blame".
Specter merely takes this idea and imputes a motive to God. I do not know that such imputation is accurate; God has not revealed to me the entirety of His thoughts and motives in such intricate detail.
In short, the Indians were defeated and massacred because, by a cruel juxtaposition of history, they encountered, even in the persons of "semi-literate, implacable, and greedy swordsmen," a Spanish civilization that was superior both in the sophistication of its arms and its ideas. Even today, Vargas Llosa argues, the principles of the West continue to shape the modern world, and "the nations that reject those values are anachronisms condemned to various versions of despotism."
bossfan wrote:Based on what specter is suggesting, Gabby Giffords must have done something really, really bad for God to have ALLOWED her to be shot in the head, and that little nine year old girl must have done something far worse!
I'm not at all saying that God is not all-powerful. He is sovereign (supreme ruler; first in rank). But being all-powerful and sovereign does not mean that He is responsibile for everything that happens on earth.
God can still be all-powerful and sovereign without being responsible for a man who chooses to jump out of a window of a tall building to his death.
Based on what specter is suggesting, Gabby Giffords must have done something really, really bad for God to have ALLOWED her to be shot in the head, and that little nine year old girl must have done something far worse!
Even today, Vargas Llosa argues, the principles of the West continue to shape the modern world, and "the nations that reject those values are anachronisms condemned to various versions of despotism."
We have REPEATED examples of the God of the Bible DESTROYING civilizations that become too corrupt. Show me FROM THE BIBLE where I am wrong and I will continue to "debate" the issue. My statements have NOTHING to do with a particular INDIVIDUAL. You forget Christ's statement when the tower fell and killed 18 people (I think) where He said, "Time and chance happen to all men."
specter wrote:ALL injuns must acknowledge the crimes of the indians of the past, and recognize that NOTHING happens on earth except God ALLOWS it. It is up to the Inju to understand WHY God thought the Injun, as a people, were to have their land taken and their tribes DESTROYED.YOU SICK BASTARD.
“Your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, where they will be enslaved and oppressed four hundred years…. Then in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”GOD WAS TALKING ABOUT THE JEW WHO WERE SLAUGHTER IN NAZI GERMANY AND STILL ON PALISTINIAN LAND. JEWS DON'T HAVE A LAND TO CALL THEIR OWN.
GOD HAVE ABANDONED THEM. MAL.
Like the Amorites, God saw the wickedness of the Injun and removed them and gave the Land to a nation HE chose.
GOD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EVIL OF WHITE MEN.
Repent Halley of your thievery and your greed
HELL IS YOUR HOME SPECTER.
for which he alone was responsible began the depopulation of the terrestrial paradise that was Hispaniola in 1492. Of the original natives, estimated by a modern ethnologist at 300,000 in number, one third were killed off between 1494 and 1496. By 1508 an enumeration showed only 60,000 alive. Four years later that number was reduced by two thirds; and in 1548 Oviedo doubted whether 500 Indians remained.LIKE THE POLICIES AND ACT OF AMERICA
"SHOUILD NOT HAVE BEEN f--- THE INDIANS.
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