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Postby Ed » January 4th, 2007, 5:14 pm

Would one large H-bomb take care of Mexico? Would be much cheaper in the long run than a fence and border guards and OH SO MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE! Would put a real damper on the North American Union also!
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Postby kerwin » January 4th, 2007, 5:25 pm

Ed,

Mexico is not all bad. They are pro life and we could use more pro life individuals in the U.S. They also have a number of religious individuals in their country. Our current policy of rewarding wrongdoers and excluding those who obey the law is encouraging the worst of the lot to migrate to the U.S. The H Bomb would be better used on the traitors in our own midst but that would deny them the due process of law and that is against the American idea of freedom.
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Postby Ed » January 4th, 2007, 5:54 pm

Not all the Japanese were bad in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. As in WWII,nukes would be a weapon of last resort. I'm sure most Japanese were pro-life back then,as Buddism is a peaceful religion.
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Postby Nan48 » January 4th, 2007, 5:56 pm

kerwin wrote:Mexico is not all bad. They are pro life and we could use more pro life individuals in the U.S.

If they don't believe in the founding principles of our country and want to become citizens who uphold the values of our Constitution, it doesn't matter one whit if they're pro-life. Otherwise, their "pro-life" stance is merely a means for invasion.
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Postby kerwin » January 4th, 2007, 7:01 pm

Nan48 wrote:
kerwin wrote:Mexico is not all bad. They are pro life and we could use more pro life individuals in the U.S.

If they don't believe in the founding principles of our country and want to become citizens who uphold the values of our Constitution, it doesn't matter one whit if they're pro-life. Otherwise, their "pro-life" stance is merely a means for invasion.


You teach them the founding ideas of our country. Their stance and religion just happen to agree with our founding principles and should help them to embrace our founding ideas. All we have to do it give them a test before they are allowed to enter the country legally. If they fail the test then they are allowed into the U.S. I am sure those who sincerely want to enter the U.S. will study diligently in order to pass the test. The question is how to reinforce belief in our founding principles once they have entered the U.S. If we do this we can strengthen the power of those who are loyal to the true patriotic values of the U.S.
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Postby El Jefe » February 2nd, 2007, 4:58 pm

A-Bomb Mexico?!? :shock: That's heinous! To begin with, genocide is flat out evil! Second, if you detonated a A-Bomb in Mexico, the fall out would spread over to the CONUS. Third, Mexico has natural resources that would be rendered useless after nuclear bombardment.

We, the Falconist Party have a much better solution for dealing with Mexico.

To begin with, we need to reform our immigration system. All quotas and limits on immigration should be replaced with all immigrants beign admitted on a probationary status. For the length of their probation, immigrants will be told where to live and work and during their probation, they have to work towards meeting the requirements for citizenship which includes attaining a working knowldge of American History and Government as well as proficency in the English language.

Most immigrants will be settled in the urban communities we will build on the sites of the former inner city communities we would demolish. The denizens of the former inne city communities would be resettled in new communities erected in the sparsely populated regions of America. Immigrants would also be settled in the sparsely populated regions as well. Some may even be settled in Greenland and Canada once they join the union.

In addition, immigrants may be put on the "fast track" to citizenship if they enlist in the military for four years. If you are willing to fight and die for this country, you should be granted citizenship in this country.

Finally, we propose the incorporation of Mexico into the union as a US Territory. Baja California would become part of California. A few Mexican states would become parts of Arizona and New Mexico. The rest of Mexico would become the territory of Mexico. Once Mexico is rebuilt and the Mexican people are "Americanized" Mexico would become a full fledged state. Between America's economic engine, Mexico's natural resources and large young population, and the natural resources of Canada, the USA would remain the world's undisputed power for a long time to come.
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Postby Nan48 » February 2nd, 2007, 5:28 pm

I went to the Falconist Party website, but found the small, white-on-blue print hard to read. You might want to fix this so people can read it easier. Just a suggestion.

BTW--I've never heard of the Falconist Party. What's it all about?
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Postby El Jefe » February 2nd, 2007, 5:59 pm

The text of our website was kept small due to the website design. We are working with our website design contractor to see if we can increase the size of the text yet fit in all our content.

Falconism combines the social and cultural positions of the right with the economic positions of the left to create a new centrist position.

Here is our 40 Point platform

1. We call for the enactment of laws that would increase voter participation; reform campaign financing; and even the “playing field” for all political parties in the USA.

2. We call for a series of Constitutional amendments that will reform Presidential elections; that will allow minor parties more of a say in our government while making it possible for any party to attain a majority; as well as allow the people to make and invalidate laws, amend the Constitution, and set aside Supreme Court decisions in national referendums

3. We call for the reform of the financial sector which would include replacing the Federal Reserve with a government-owned and operated Bank of the United States.

4. We call for the replacement of the current tax structure with a system that will generate sufficient revenue, is fair and paperless for most Americans.

5. We call for the largest rebuilding program in American history to be implemented to expedite the movement of goods and services; relieve traffic congestion, provide excellent health care; provide excellent educational services; refine and distribute drinking water from our oceans; to meet America’s growing energy demands; and to put millions of people to work at living wages.

6. We call for the reservation of welfare for those who are elderly, infirm, and those who need a temporary helping hand. All those who can work shall work in the private sector if possible, in public service if necessary.

7. We call for the consolidation and reorganization of federal agencies and offices across the board to make government more efficient as well as more effective.

8. We call for the consolidation cities and counties across America to reduce the cost and graft of municipal government as well as handle problems that transcend current municipal boundaries such as urban sprawl.

9. We call for all employers and employees to be represented in a federalized US Chamber of Commerce (USCC) which will work with the US Government in formulating economic policy.

10. We call for the replacement of meticulous economic regulation with national broad ranged economic goals and creating a system of incentives for industry to meet national economic goals.

11. We call for the democratization of transnational corporations through expanded customer and employee stock-ownership programs.

12. We call for policies that would preserve and revitalize family farms as well as small town America.

13. We call for a real energy policy which will include the conversion of America’s economy from a fossil fuel based economy to a solar-nuclear-hydrogen economy.

14. We call for the implementation of Universal Military Training and Mandatory National Service (civil and military).

15. We call for increased benefits for veterans and increased pay of career military personnel.

16. We call for the expansion and reform of the US Military.

17. We call for the issuing of weapons to all law-abiding citizens as well as training all citizens in personal protection and homeland defense.

18. We call for the unification of all federal law enforcement agencies into a U.S. Police Force.

19. We call for reform of the judicial system and for justice that fair, swift, and if necessary, harsh.

20. We call for reform of the corrections system to rehabilitate as well as punish offenders; segregate the violent from the nonviolent offenders; and to reduce recidivism.

21. We call for the recruitment, hiring, training, and deployment of a more police officers on America’s streets, arming them to the teeth, and increasing the pay and benefits of law enforcement officers.

22. We call for the recruitment, hiring, training, and deployment of more firefighters and rescue workers as well as increasing their pay and benefits.

23. We call for the increased funding of education overall, increased pay of teachers; national education standards; allowing real choice between public, private, charter, nonprofit, or home schooling; and reforming education to produce a population that is employable, productive, literate, and possesses civic virtue.

24. We call for making a university education attainable for all through an expanded GI Bill, increased ROTC and Police Corps scholarships, and increased appointments to the military colleges.

25. We call for increased financial aid for those seeking graduate degrees.

26. We call for increased legal immigration; however, we also call for the thorough assimilation of those immigrants into American society as well as the fortification of America’s borders to deter illegal immigration as well as drug smuggling, terrorism and human trafficking.

27. We call for the reform of our health care system to reduce the cost of health care to American society; to provide access to health care for all; to preserve citizen’s choice of doctor, treatment, and payment for health care; and to promote research and development into medical cures, treatments, and technologies,.

28. We call for the enactment of pro-family policies such as annual tax credits for children; encouraging the adoption of older and at-risk children; and the outlawing of abortion in the USA.

29. We call for laws that will restore public morality and discourage smoking, drinking, gambling, and pornography.

30. We call for both secular and faith-based institutions be eligible for public funding

31. We call for laws and programs that will extend formal equality and equality of opportunity for all people of color and background.

32. We call for the repeal of laws and policies that restrict people of faith from practicing their beliefs.

33. We call for the rebuilding of all cities, including our nation’s capital to eliminate slums, reduce crime, create vibrant, prosperous and vibrant communities, and to provide affordable housing.

34. We call for withdraw of the USA from the WTO, NAFTA and GATT and for unilateral foreign policies. The UN will become a tool of the USA in its pursuit of Manifest Destiny.

35. We call for military action against all regimes worldwide engaged in terrorism, tyranny, drug and human trafficking, atrocity, and genocide.

36. We call for the overhaul and expansion of the US Peace Corps and the US Foreign Service to make it more able to handle nation-building roles.

37. We call for the expansion of the borders of the USA to admit sovereign nations into our union as states and territories.

38. We call for the colonization of the oceans to provide new resources for the people of America and the world.

39. We call for the development of a mature space transportation system; the colonization of the Moon, Mars, and other planets; and the establishment of space colonies in low Earth orbit.

40. We call for the abolition of home rule in Washington D.C.; for DC to be administered by a Prefect appointed by the President; for the expansion of Washington DC into Maryland and Virginia; and for Washington DC to be rebuilt as the most glorious, prosperous, cleanest, and safest in the world.
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Postby Nan48 » February 2nd, 2007, 6:18 pm

I understand. Thanks. It would be helpful to get this corrected as soon as possible, so that reading the content would be easier for people.
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Postby kerwin » February 2nd, 2007, 8:38 pm

El Jefe,

It looks like you want a stronger control government and that you are willing to use draconian measures to resolve problems. I am opposed to the former as the United States was set up with a weak central government in mind and consolidating the power into the hands of a few is asking to be oppressed. The measure you propose for dealing with inner city blight is a violation of the inalienable rights of the people that live there. You can do a variation of that by giving them incentive to move to sparsely populated areas. You can also give people convicted of certain crimes the choice between moving to those areas and doing probation or doing time. You have more of a free hand with immigrants since you can set conditions on their gaining entrance to the U.S. Still I find your solution is too intrusive and probably too expensive.

I suggest you think of looking at how our Founders proposed solving many of these same problems.
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Postby El Jefe » February 2nd, 2007, 9:14 pm

Kerwin:

Of course we plan to use incentive alot more than force in relocating inner city families out of their neighborhoods and into the new communities erected in the sparsely settled regions of America. We will offer families new homes, employment for heads of households, cleaner and safer communities. Of course, when we shut down the public housing projects as well as use eminent domain to tear down the run down neighborhoods. They would have no choice but to move elsewhere.

Also, once we build new urban communities on the sites of the former inner city neighborhoods, the evacuees would have the option to move back to their former cities. However, if we did this job right, they wouldn't want to move back.

The US Constitution was a compromise between those who wanted a strong central government and those who wanted a weak central government. Bear in mind the Constitutional Constitution wasn't originally intended to write a new US Constitution but to amend the Articles of Confederation (AKA the US Constitution of 1781). The reason they held a convention because the US Government under Constitution of 1781 was too weak to handle the issues of the day.

Also in 1787, the inner cities weren't an issue as the largest city, New York, only had 20,000 people. We didn't see cities of at least 100,000 people until the industrial revolution came around. Also, back in 1787, 95% of Americans lived in rural areas while only 5% lived in cities. Today, only 10% of Americans live in rural area while 40% live in urban areas and 50% live in Suburban Areas. Also, America was not even close to being a world power back in 1787.

Some FFs like Jefferson favored America remaining an agricultural nation and maintaining a weak central government. Some FFs like Alexander Hamiliton favored a industrial economy and a strong central government. Naturally compromises were made between the two.

I think the FFs would be having as much as a debate now as they would back then.
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Postby kerwin » February 3rd, 2007, 10:35 am

El Jefe wrote:The US Constitution was a compromise between those who wanted a strong central government and those who wanted a weak central government.


That is correct and it is why the federal government has limits placed on it according to Article 1 Section 8. Even Alexander Hamilton who broadly interpret that limit held that the federal government was limited in operation within states.

The states are the only ones that have the jurisdiction that you speak of and their constitutions if interpret correctly often ban eminent domain to prevent clearances like what happened in Scotland and other areas.

If you are really a social conservative then you will oppose judicial activism and support the rule of law.

Some of the ideas you propose have been tried as far as giving people incentives. One is the reform of welfare to workfare and the other is subsidized housing for the poor in better neighborhoods. Chicago has redone their housing.

Our system is capitalistic so if you create a need for those in the inner city to move and then provide a place where the can move to a get a bigger piece of the American pie then I believe they will do the work for you. This would have to be done at the state level with the federal government interfering only if another state or territory is involved or in the case the the rule of law is violated. Domestic affairs except for certain exception are reserved to the state while the federal government handles foreign affairs and affairs involving two or more states.

I have read enough about the Founders that I know a lot of problems we have today were also had by our Founders. The new one is the size of the corporations and their influence on government. The Federal Reserve and the central bank you advise would place too much power in to few hands. The U.S. Constitution was arranged with a series of checks and balances to prevent that very thing.

I firmly believe that the largest changes necessary after becoming pro-life is to get rid of no fault divorce laws and to make getting married in the first place require an engagement period that is recorded by the government. I also believe cohabitation should be made illegal.

The Falcon party should consider taking a neutral position on economic issues and concentrating on conservative social issues but they should also stress adhering to the original intent of the U.S. Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution and well as other codes of law.
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Postby El Jefe » February 3rd, 2007, 3:49 pm

To begin with, our platform calls for the minimalizing of the power of the SCOTUS. In the past, we considered expanding the number of SCOTUS justices from nine to fifteen so we could put more Falconists and Conservatives on the bench. We also considered a Constitutional amendment that would allow the people to set aside SCOTUS decisions in a national refferundum as well as to amend the Constitution and to approve laws and treaties. Note a 60.0% of the popular vote would be the minimum to approve a Constitutional amendment or to set aside a SCOTUS decision. But right now, we are trying to see where the wind is blowing in America to see if we should counteract the power of the court in this fashion.

Like I said, not all of our measures will be implemented by the USG directly but also through state and local governments, the private, nonprofit and faith-based sectors. At the most, the USG would just designate the sites for the new urban communities. the state and local governments would build the utilities and infrastructure (or contract private companies to do it) and the private sector would build the housing and everything else.

If our party just stuck to championing social and moral causes, we would just be another interest group like the Moral Majority or the Christian Coalition. If our party was just Conservative across the board, we would be just another Christian right party like the Constitution Party, the American Heritage Party, the Independent American Party, the American First Party, the American Patriots Party, and the American Party.

The reason the Falconist Party was created was that there was no party or ideology, except maybe the Christian Falangist Party of America and now defunct American Falangist Party that was Conservative on the social issues but was a little to the left on economic issues.

There are alot of Democrats who are pro-life on the abortion issue, call for prayer back in school, and against the legalization of gay marriage but they reluctantly stick with the Democratic Party because it champions their economic positions. Likewise, there are Republicans that call for increased public investment in education, health care, and rebuilding America. They believe in universal health coverage. However, they stick with the GOP because the GOP champions their pro-life position on abortion, putting prayer back in school, restoring public morality, and crusades against gay marriage. And there are independents who are fiscally and economically to the left yet socially and culturally to the right that are alienated by all existing parties because they are either Centrist, Liberal, Conservative, Green, or Libertarian. There is no party or ideology that they identify with.

The Falconist Party seeks to draw Democrats and Republicans who have this line of thinking as well as independents who identify with our platform and build a new political party.

As for the Constitution Party and all the other Constitutionalist and Christian Right parties. It is best for them to unite into one political party and enter candidates in every race from POTUS to local dogcatcher. 200 minor parties won't do much damage to the two-party cartel. But 3-4 strong third parties can and should do as much damage to the two-party cartel as they can.
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Postby kerwin » February 3rd, 2007, 8:40 pm

El Jefe wrote:To begin with, our platform calls for the mineralizing of the power of the SCOTUS.


That sounds like a fine idea but your solution to the perceived problem is too democratic and thus subject to the chaos of mob rule. I believe a better solution would be to apply limited terms to the judiciary with the federal justices being elected by the people every few years from candidates that are appointed by the state legislators. That appointment should be run just like an election but with only the state legislators voting. This would put a state check and balance while still allowing the people to decide.

El Jefe wrote:If our party just stuck to championing social and moral causes, we would just be another interest group like the Moral Majority or the Christian Coalition.


That would not be the case as both the Democrat and Republican party have carved out a section for themselves based on economics as they allow their members to have more free play on social issues. I have yet to see a Republican whom is an economic liberal or a Democrat whom is an economic conservative. The true moderates have a choice of parties.

I want to make sure we agree on one thing and that is that social conservatives do not necessary have to be Christians though they do have to support the U.S. Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution. Radical social conservatives are the exception.

El Jefe wrote:There are a lot of Democrats who are pro-life on the abortion issue, call for prayer back in school, and against the legalization of gay marriage but they reluctantly stick with the Democratic Party because it champions their economic positions.


This is the crux of my augment while being neutral on economic issues is the best choice. People tend to vote for economic issues over social issues ant the idea is to advance the social conservative cause as Democrats do push the economic liberal cause already. If you have a broad camp on economic issues then in areas that the people prefer an economic liberal the party can offer an social conservative who is an economic liberal and in places that they prefer an economic conservative the party can offer a social conservative is an economic conservative. The nation seems to be evenly divided between economic liberals and conservatives and alienating either side is not a good idea if you place ethics before money.

[quote="El Jefe"As for the Constitution Party and all the other Constitutionalist and Christian Right parties. [/quote]

There is disagreements on economic issues. I also advocating them taking a neutral position on economic issues. The question is whether they place money or God first.

[quote="El Jefe"]it is best for them to unite into one political party and enter candidates in every race from POTUS to local dogcatcher.[/quote]

That sounds like a wise strategy.
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deal with Mexico

Postby Nate » February 4th, 2007, 5:09 pm

Arm and support a resistance movement in Mexico to overthrow the totally corrupt Mexican govmt. and maintain strict control over it until they are governed by a Constitutional Republic.

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