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Postby english on December 5th, 2005, 10:37 am

Look what I read on Yahoo this morning. If Belfast can allow it, whats wrong with the rest of the world adopting this same stance when if comes to Gays and Lesbians wanting to have a civil union. They only want the same rights and benefits that you straight people enjoy.




BELFAST (Reuters) - Hundreds of gay couples are preparing to make it official on Monday when they can apply for legal status under a new law allowing same-sex civil partnerships.

The law will give homosexual couples the same property and inheritance rights as married heterosexual couples and entitles them to the same pension, immigration and tax benefits.

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a two-week waiting period they will be able to legally register their partnerships for the first time.
For many of them, celebrations will be low-key.

"We're getting what we deserve," said Gary McKeever of The Rainbow Project, which provides information, education and training for gay and bisexual men in Northern Ireland, where the first partnerships will be registered on December 19.

"We have no plans to do anything spectacular. It's just going to be done in a dignified way," he added.

The usually flamboyant singer Elton John epitomises the fuss-free attitude many gay couples are adopting.

He and long-term partner David Furnish plan to tie the knot on December 21, the earliest possible date to do so in England.

"The ceremony will be very private, a small family affair, David's parents, my parents and the two of us. They'll be our witnesses," John told gay magazine Attitude.

NOT A MARRIAGE

Unlike those in Belgium, the Netherlands, Spain and Canada, Britain's civil partnership is not a marriage.

Civil partnership is formed when a couple sign certain documents in an exclusively civil procedure, whereas a marriage becomes binding when partners exchange spoken words in a civil or religious ceremony.

Debra Reynolds, a registrar in Brighton -- Britain's unofficial gay capital -- says many homosexual couples have been together for decades and want a simple ceremony, even though a service is not compulsory.

"I would say 75 percent are keen to have one (a ceremony) ...but I would also say a lot of people are saying 'We don't want any fuss'," Reynolds told Reuters.

Nevertheless, the new legislation has given a boost to companies eager to attract the so-called "pink pound".

A full-scale gay wedding show in London this month offered 100 displays from chocolate fountains to fuchsia commitment stationery. Firms promoted his-and-his cufflinks and wedding cakes topped with two male figurines.

There has been little vocal opposition to the changes -- Elton John believes he and Furnish are "very lucky to live in Britain. I cannot think of a more tolerant place to live".

However, pockets of resistance to same-sex partnerships and to homosexuality remain, not least in Northern Ireland where.

"It's extremely significant and we're all happy about it (the new legislation) but we're not throwing our hands up in hysterics -- we'll leave it to the right wing elements in society to do that," Rainbow Project's McKeever said.

Homosexuality was legalised in Northern Ireland only in 1982 -- 15 years after England and Wales. At the time the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP), run then, as now, by Protestant cleric Ian Paisley, ran a "Save Ulster from Sodomy" campaign.

The DUP, the province's largest political party, opposed the civil partnership legislation but says it supports equality. Gay rights groups, though, are sceptical.

Earlier this month a DUP councillor said God sent Hurricane Katrina to punish New Orleans for organising a gay pride event.

(Additional reporting by Paul Majendie in London)
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Re: Civil Unions

Postby Guest on December 5th, 2005, 10:59 am

english wrote:Look what I read on Yahoo this morning. If Belfast can allow it, whats wrong with the rest of the world adopting this same stance when if comes to Gays and Lesbians wanting to have a civil union. They only want the same rights and benefits that you straight people enjoy.


The key word there is PEOPLE. Most of these bible thumpers don't consider gays to be people. They think gays are rats that need to be poisoned.
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Re: Civil Unions

Postby dwain on December 5th, 2005, 1:05 pm

Confused wrote:
english wrote:Look what I read on Yahoo this morning. If Belfast can allow it, whats wrong with the rest of the world adopting this same stance when if comes to Gays and Lesbians wanting to have a civil union. They only want the same rights and benefits that you straight people enjoy.


The key word there is PEOPLE. Most of these bible thumpers don't consider gays to be people. They think gays are rats that need to be poisoned.
Not I confused. The Sacrament of Matrimony is ment for a man and a women only. Not our law, Gods law. Sorry you libs are to blind to accept it.
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Re: Civil Unions

Postby lanienus on December 5th, 2005, 2:29 pm

dwain wrote:
Confused wrote:
english wrote:Look what I read on Yahoo this morning. If Belfast can allow it, whats wrong with the rest of the world adopting this same stance when if comes to Gays and Lesbians wanting to have a civil union. They only want the same rights and benefits that you straight people enjoy.


The key word there is PEOPLE. Most of these bible thumpers don't consider gays to be people. They think gays are rats that need to be poisoned.
Not I confused. The Sacrament of Matrimony is ment for a man and a women only. Not our law, Gods law. Sorry you libs are to blind to accept it.


Evidently you have not heard of freedom of religion. We do not have to accept your dogma.
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Re: Civil Unions

Postby Nan48 on December 5th, 2005, 5:34 pm

lanienus wrote:
dwain wrote:
Confused wrote:
english wrote:Look what I read on Yahoo this morning. If Belfast can allow it, whats wrong with the rest of the world adopting this same stance when if comes to Gays and Lesbians wanting to have a civil union. They only want the same rights and benefits that you straight people enjoy.


The key word there is PEOPLE. Most of these bible thumpers don't consider gays to be people. They think gays are rats that need to be poisoned.
Not I confused. The Sacrament of Matrimony is ment for a man and a women only. Not our law, Gods law. Sorry you libs are to blind to accept it.


Evidently you have not heard of freedom of religion. We do not have to accept your dogma.


Then you don't accept what God has ordained. The scriptures tell us that marriage is between a man and a woman. Otherwise, it's just a relationship not recognized by God. Marriage is intended to create a union whereby children may be brought into this world, and to provide a means to protect, nuture, and guide the children. Even though some men and women can't physically have children, their intent for getting married was for the possiblity of producing offspring.

Two men and two women don't physically have that possiblity. Therefore, marriage is not ordained for them. If they want the state to recognize their relationship, then I guess they can have a state-sponsored civil union--but not marriage. The civil union, therefore, would not be recognized, accepted, or blessed by God--but only by the state.
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Re: Civil Unions

Postby Guest on December 5th, 2005, 6:00 pm

dwain wrote:
Confused wrote:
english wrote:Look what I read on Yahoo this morning. If Belfast can allow it, whats wrong with the rest of the world adopting this same stance when if comes to Gays and Lesbians wanting to have a civil union. They only want the same rights and benefits that you straight people enjoy.


The key word there is PEOPLE. Most of these bible thumpers don't consider gays to be people. They think gays are rats that need to be poisoned.
Not I confused. The Sacrament of Matrimony is ment for a man and a women only. Not our law, Gods law. Sorry you libs are to blind to accept it.


Once again, M0R0N, marriage and civil unions are TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS. Marriage is a religious institution; civil union is a secular institution. GOT IT?????
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Re: Civil Unions

Postby Guest on December 5th, 2005, 6:02 pm

Nan48 wrote:
lanienus wrote:
dwain wrote:
Confused wrote:
english wrote:Look what I read on Yahoo this morning. If Belfast can allow it, whats wrong with the rest of the world adopting this same stance when if comes to Gays and Lesbians wanting to have a civil union. They only want the same rights and benefits that you straight people enjoy.


The key word there is PEOPLE. Most of these bible thumpers don't consider gays to be people. They think gays are rats that need to be poisoned.
Not I confused. The Sacrament of Matrimony is ment for a man and a women only. Not our law, Gods law. Sorry you libs are to blind to accept it.


Evidently you have not heard of freedom of religion. We do not have to accept your dogma.


Then you don't accept what God has ordained. The scriptures tell us that marriage is between a man and a woman. Otherwise, it's just a relationship not recognized by God. Marriage is intended to create a union whereby children may be brought into this world, and to provide a means to protect, nuture, and guide the children. Even though some men and women can't physically have children, their intent for getting married was for the possiblity of producing offspring.

Two men and two women don't physically have that possiblity. Therefore, marriage is not ordained for them. If they want the state to recognize their relationship, then I guess they can have a state-sponsored civil union--but not marriage. The civil union, therefore, would not be recognized, accepted, or blessed by God--but only by the state.


As long as gay couples get the same rights from the state that hetero couples get, they couldn't much care whether it is ordained by your church or not.
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Re: Civil Unions

Postby Nan48 on December 5th, 2005, 6:41 pm

Confused wrote:As long as gay couples get the same rights from the state that hetero couples get, they couldn't much care whether it is ordained by your church or not.


. . . And they will reap what they sow.
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Re: Civil Unions

Postby Guest on December 5th, 2005, 6:48 pm

Nan48 wrote:
Confused wrote:As long as gay couples get the same rights from the state that hetero couples get, they couldn't much care whether it is ordained by your church or not.


. . . And they will reap what they sow.


What exactly are they sowing that so offends you? Maybe you will reap what YOU sow? Maybe God is disgusted by the hypocrisy, hate, and bigotry of those who claim to love him so. Ever consider that? Or are you too busy trying to find the Immuminati?
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Re: Civil Unions

Postby Nan48 on December 5th, 2005, 6:57 pm

Confused wrote:
Nan48 wrote:
Confused wrote:As long as gay couples get the same rights from the state that hetero couples get, they couldn't much care whether it is ordained by your church or not.


. . . And they will reap what they sow.


What exactly are they sowing that so offends you? Maybe you will reap what YOU sow? Maybe God is disgusted by the hypocrisy, hate, and bigotry of those who claim to love him so. Ever consider that? Or are you too busy trying to find the Immuminati?


Everyone is responsible for their own actions before God.
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Re: Civil Unions

Postby Guest on December 5th, 2005, 7:03 pm

Nan48 wrote:
Confused wrote:
Nan48 wrote:
Confused wrote:As long as gay couples get the same rights from the state that hetero couples get, they couldn't much care whether it is ordained by your church or not.


. . . And they will reap what they sow.


What exactly are they sowing that so offends you? Maybe you will reap what YOU sow? Maybe God is disgusted by the hypocrisy, hate, and bigotry of those who claim to love him so. Ever consider that? Or are you too busy trying to find the Immuminati?


Everyone is responsible for their own actions before God.


That doesn't answer the question.
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Re: Civil Unions

Postby Nan48 on December 5th, 2005, 7:21 pm

Confused wrote:
Nan48 wrote:
Confused wrote:
Nan48 wrote:
Confused wrote:As long as gay couples get the same rights from the state that hetero couples get, they couldn't much care whether it is ordained by your church or not.


. . . And they will reap what they sow.


What exactly are they sowing that so offends you? Maybe you will reap what YOU sow? Maybe God is disgusted by the hypocrisy, hate, and bigotry of those who claim to love him so. Ever consider that? Or are you too busy trying to find the Immuminati?


Everyone is responsible for their own actions before God.


That doesn't answer the question.


Yes, it does.
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Re: Civil Unions

Postby Guest on December 5th, 2005, 7:40 pm

Nan48 wrote:
Confused wrote:
Nan48 wrote:
Confused wrote:
Nan48 wrote:
Confused wrote:As long as gay couples get the same rights from the state that hetero couples get, they couldn't much care whether it is ordained by your church or not.


. . . And they will reap what they sow.


What exactly are they sowing that so offends you? Maybe you will reap what YOU sow? Maybe God is disgusted by the hypocrisy, hate, and bigotry of those who claim to love him so. Ever consider that? Or are you too busy trying to find the Immuminati?


Everyone is responsible for their own actions before God.


That doesn't answer the question.


Yes, it does.


No, it doesn't. What offends YOU so much about civil unions? To put it another way -- exactly how does what they do with THEIR LIVES bother YOU? That was the question. Answer it.
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Re: Civil Unions

Postby dwain on December 5th, 2005, 9:42 pm

Confused wrote:
Nan48 wrote:
Confused wrote:
Nan48 wrote:
Confused wrote:
Nan48 wrote:
Confused wrote:As long as gay couples get the same rights from the state that hetero couples get, they couldn't much care whether it is ordained by your church or not.


. . . And they will reap what they sow.


What exactly are they sowing that so offends you? Maybe you will reap what YOU sow? Maybe God is disgusted by the hypocrisy, hate, and bigotry of those who claim to love him so. Ever consider that? Or are you too busy trying to find the Immuminati?


Everyone is responsible for their own actions before God.


That doesn't answer the question.


Yes, it does.


No, it doesn't. What offends YOU so much about civil unions? To put it another way -- exactly how does what they do with THEIR LIVES bother YOU? That was the question. Answer it.
You'll never get it confused! We, I will be held accountable for my brothers actions. The extreme case; we had to stop hitler and his mis-guided notions. We can't let women continue to kill their unborn children. Same sex marriage is just another action that has to be stopped because it's against the laws of God. How many ways do you need to be told? Wrong is Wrong. How ever long it takes I will continue to speak the truth, except it or not the truth remains the same. When I stand before God I want to be able to say I did everything in my power to convince the wicked of their evil ways. You can say you let everyone do what ever felt good. If we went by your reasoning Hitlers little cronnies would be dictating your life. So you should be thanking the Christains for standing up for what is right rather then moaning like a little baby. phd, md what a lost bunch. May God Bless you and give you the healing you so desperatly seek.
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Postby Jerry on December 5th, 2005, 10:33 pm

The scriptures tell us that marriage is between a man and a woman. Otherwise, it's just a relationship not recognized by God.


What if a gay couple does not care about whether or not their "union" is recognized by God? And most of all, why do you care about other people's unions? Do gay couples care about you and your husband's union?
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