A.J. Castellitto
March 11, 2015
A heated exchange on "marriage equality"
By A.J. Castellitto

From the comments section of an article featured at Bob Ellis' American Clarion (I am blessed to consider Mr. Ellis a friend of mine).......

James Scott:

Feel free to do whatever you like at home or in your church, but if you want to run a business that is open to the public you have to follow the laws established in your state. If not, you'll be left telling everyone "you can financially ruin us, sue us, or throw us in jail" which will likely be your fate. But don't worry, we don't "feed us to the lions" anymore.

Bob Ellis:

In other words, your private property (that you paid for, continue to pay for, and put yourself a financial risk for), isn't really yours. It really belongs to the state. The last I checked, that's how Marxists operate, not Americans. That kind of tyranny has no place in the United States, and no justification in the U.S. Constitution, where religious freedom is protected by the First Amendment, in a country founded by men who recognized the sacred nature of property and conscience:

Government is instituted to protect property of every sort. . . . [and] conscience is the most sacred of all property. – James Madison

No provision in our Constitution ought to be dearer to man than that which protects the rights of conscience. – Thomas Jefferson

Consciences of men are not the objects of human legislation. – New Jersey Governor William Livingston, signer of the U.S. Constitution

Security under our constitution is given to the rights of conscience. – John Jay, First Chief of U.S. Supreme Court, author of the Federalist Papers

It is sufficiently obvious, that persons and property are the two great subjects on which Governments are to act; and that the rights of persons, and the rights of property, are the objects, for the protection of which Government was instituted. These rights cannot well be separated. – James Madison

Conscience is the most sacred of all property. – James Madison

The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If 'Thou shalt not covet' and 'Thou shalt not steal' were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free. – John Adams


But since when have petty things like property and conscience ever mattered to tyrants?


James Scott :

Oh it's still all "yours" but it's just a simple fact that states can forbid you from operating your private property as a business that discriminates against the public based on the ancient superstitions you choose to believe in. You can whine about marxism and tyranny all you'd like but it's nothing new. It was the same for private business owners who wanted to discriminate based on race or discriminate against mixed race couples or discriminate against certain religions or discriminate against women. The list goes on and on. Thanks for sharing how little you know about the u.s. constitution, that was hilarious!

Bob Ellis:

No, it is NOT a simple fact that government can force you to violate your conscience and force you to serve people that you do not want to serve. Not in a free country, as America was founded to be. The last time I checked, that was called slavery (something Democrats have for centuries been rather fond of).

No, Marxism and tyranny are nothing new. They are the kind of thing the founders of this great nation went to war against the most powerful empire on earth to rid ourselves of, and fought a bloody sevenyear war to end on our own soil (though apparently some are very eager to reimplement their favorite brand of tyranny these days). We also stood against Marxism worldwide for several decades, and finally thanks to Ronald Reagan freed hundreds of millions of people from it worldwide (though some are very eager to impose it on the nation that freed so much of the world).

Also, you shouldn't confuse discrimination on the basis of an immoral, unnatural and unhealthy sexual behavior (as well as the counterfeiting of society's most important institution: marriage) with the discrimination perpetrated by the Left's favorite party of record (the Democrat Party) against so many Americans in times past on the basis of an innate, morallyneutral physical characteristic. And it was Democrats who FORCED businesses by the power of immoral law to discriminate against black Americans on the basis of an innate, morally neutral physical characteristic like skin color. Businesses were forced by racist Democrats to participate in evil. The desire of Democrats to force people to do their will, and to trample on the Godgiven freedoms of Americans they don't like, just keeps on going.

Oh, and as for those "superstitions" for which you have so much disdain, if you live in the United States, you owe the freedom and prosperity you enjoy here to those "superstitions" held by almost all of the founders of this nation. If you don't believe me, check the Declaration of Independence and you'll find to Whom you owe it all. It's very obvious to anyone who knows even the basics of the U.S. Constitution and the foundations of American government that it is you who is not only woefully ignorant of both, but are sadly very contemptuous of both.


James Scott :

ha ha ha ha ha...37 states now recognize marriage equality while you sit babbling about tyrants, patriotism, and founding principles.

Bob Ellis :

You mean about 37 states have had counterfeit marriage forced on them by judicial activist tyrants (the kind who also hold decency and the founding principles of freedom in contempt), when it was 40something states voting to protect marriage when given a choice.

And yes, the founding principles are always worth extolling, for we owe our unparalleled liberty and prosperity to them. A patriot would understand and appreciate that...while an enemy of the American way derides and laughs at them.


AJ:

The problem is you can't manipulate legal systems and shut down debate and that's the end..... WE shouldn't put our own selfish motives above what's good and healthy for society.

We must start with the issue of 'Redefinition of Marriage' and 'The Raising of Children' ......

What is the redefinition of marriage? What is the standard? Who sets it and why/how? What is the standard in which children should be brought up? What is best for them (not most convenient for me!) ???

We can't just skip the starting point and force compliance..... Bully tactics will never work...... Just because we have tarnished the true standard does not mean we must bury it....

May God bless all those who struggle with belief and their place before God . We are all sinners! WE all need a radical transformation ! America is not the problem, neither is the world.... WE ARE!!!


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A.J. Castellitto

A.J. Castellitto is a freelance writer who resides in NJ with his wife and five children. He holds a B.S. in Counseling and Human Services from the University of Scranton and his writings have been published at The Center for Western Journalism, The Christian Post, Intellectual Conservative and Reformed Perspective Magazine.

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